Curse

Hunter Sharparrow · May 25, 2006, 07:48 PM // 19:48

Very true. Not every alliance that gains control would be upset only some of them while the rest of the GW population would be pleased.

Zinger314 · May 25, 2006, 08:20 PM // 20:20

Well, as you can see, [LUST] no longer controlls HzH.

[LUST] was limiting ferries because their members thought that it would reduce the quality of the drops. (Which still makes no sense to me...)

A whopping 3 guilds disaggreed with [LUST]'s ferrying policy and just outright left. That a lot of faction lost.

[LUST] even tried to force my guild to boot me for making that post on page 4.

Regardless, I'm staying. After we get 3 more guilds, we'll own House again, and then I can start ferrying again.

Overall, the elite mission concept needs to die. Period. The drops aren't that great (new skins, whoopie,) and the end-mission greens are nothing to brag about.

Saider maul · May 25, 2006, 08:29 PM // 20:29

factions is a joke of a game strictly because of its PvP controlling PvE politics, and if its not fixed i hope anets buisness suffers dramatically.
But like they insinuate. they got our real money what do they care what the patrons think.

dreamhunk · May 25, 2006, 08:44 PM // 20:44

lets just make it 100 to get into elite mission. no no lets make it 500k plus ectos. I mean the team team work hard to get eltie missions right.

fow ferry is needed, we need golds sinks in gw. the othe type of ferrying is not needed

just wait till the hard core ebay farmers start taking over the towns. then sell all the stuff on ebay. then we will see how fast anet will change.

I mean the farmers do have the time to factions farm. now what if they don't sell the pve bait carrot in game, they turn around and sell it on ebay instead for real money.

yup they work so hard to farm, yup they have the right to hols elite.

byteme! · May 25, 2006, 09:09 PM // 21:09

My guild was apart of the "====" alliance. We are no more. I'm not an officer so I don't have much say but I do read the alliance chat. My "former" alliance are too greedy for my taste. Instead of forming an "alliance" my guild was kinda forced into FULLTIME FACTION FARMING. We were told by alliance leaders from "====" to farm farm farm. Don't do missions. Don't do anything. Keep the capital! We had to reach a quota every few days. For example: 600k by Friday or your guild risks getting kicked out. Can you say, "SWEAT SHOP"? Just so everyone is aware. By combining your alliance with "====" you're only there to suit THEIR needs. Once "====" feels you are of no value to them anymore you're whole guild is gone and replaced by another for the same purpose. To grind and farm for them like a sweatshop. I usually don't care about these things but when something like this takes all the fun out of the game that my guildies and I are playing then that draws the line for me. I've heard in alliance chat many of them wanting to charge for ferries and limiting access to Urgoz Warren for no other reasons besides greed.

I've stationed my Warrior at "The Deep" and my monk at "Urgoz Warren". I use my other 3 characters to farm outside of the elite missions. I never map either of those 2 characters out of the elite missions. If I want to exit I use the [X] at the top right hand corner to close game. When I reboot I'm back at elite mission. Therefore regardless who the bastard is that owns said house I ALWAYS have access to the elite without ever needing a ferry. Only way I'll ever leave is if someone like "====" comes and ferries me out. Which is another reason to look out for who is the leader of your 12 man party.

I'm glad our guild is now independant from "====". Based on recent happenings 3 guilds left simultaneously. We were getting a bad name. GO oRKS! If my alliance ever gets an Elite mission you can count on me for free ferries (tips accepted with a smile) regardless what pathetic stipulations my alliance has to offer.

generik · May 25, 2006, 10:00 PM // 22:00

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Originally Posted by dreamhunk

I mean the farmers do have the time to factions farm. now what if they don't sell the pve bait carrot in game, they turn around and sell it on ebay instead for real money.

You do realise there is such a thing as faction decay right?

Right now it is costing TC 1.6 million gold PER DAY to hold Cavalon, and they are giving it out to you *for free*

Think with your brain again before shooting your mouth off like that.

gabrial heart · May 25, 2006, 10:18 PM // 22:18

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Originally Posted by heaven

Why do you think TC can keep Avalon for so long? where is the Black Blade? May be they don't want to get Avalon back due to the fact that it is useless to keep Zodiac stuffs exclusive now

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Much of the Black Blade alliance sort of fell apart. Even after we (TC alliance) lost 2 guilds we still managed to hold the town. Basicaly most of us are still earning faction. Alot of us LOVE 12v12, even moreso if there was a 12 person party window but meh. We also do the challenge missions alot, which is pretty fun also and good for faction earning. The final straw though is we are all getting our tyrians (or new canthians, i just made a rit last night) through and kicking in 10k when we do the "befriending" quest. All our guilds have between 900k-1.8mil and all are filled-up at this point. Concidering my guild TSB only had 35 memebers and joined up with TC with about 450k when they first organized, it can be done by any guild alliance out there!

J snukka · May 25, 2006, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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Originally Posted by generik

You do realise there is such a thing as faction decay right?

Right now it is costing TC 1.6 million gold PER DAY to hold Cavalon, and they are giving it out to you *for free*

Think with your brain again before shooting your mouth off like that.

That is their decision to do so. So why do you feel sympathic that they are wasting their faction on upkeeping it. They don't have to but they are. And the only reward should be the elite mission and the cheap items from merchant, not make a profit off of ferrying us. If an alliances doesn't like that as a reward then they dont need to attempt to control the damn town. So stop mentioning how much an alliance wastes on upkeeping the outpost, noone cares.

P.S that felt good to get out, ahuh. also I used the wrong quote for this, just wanted to use this bc you mentioned how much an alliance wastes on upkeeping it and I know there are some players defending the charge/tip concept just because they feel bad for them wasting faction instead of getting amber to sell.

My Final Heaven Vll · May 25, 2006, 10:34 PM // 22:34

honestly why does it matter if a guild chooses to charge/ or not for a ferry. honestly elite missions are not that amazing like everyone thinks they are. if the alliance with the most kurzick faction wins house let them do whatever they please, they earned the right to be in charge on the ferry system/elite mission.

and honestly to the person complaining about 600+ kurzick faction needed, your acting like your guild was the only who was farming faction. its not hard to do FF runs till 10k faction. most people even do up to 20k and call it a day. no hard feelings for leaving lust and i hope best of luck but complaining about a guild that just wants to control house and who works very hard for it is just childish

i mean dont you people of the guru republic have stuff better to do than complain about a guild? if you cant afford a ferry farm faction or just go to the luxon side duh!

we at lust werent the first to come up with the idea of charging in guild wars! and other guilds in our alliance were doing so as well! even the guilds that left us.

play pvp, get to rank 9, get some ecto/shards, and get some fow armor. just do something so you dont get so worked up about a simplistic thing has ferrying.

LAMS3K · May 25, 2006, 11:07 PM // 23:07

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Originally Posted by byteme!

My guild was apart of the "====" alliance. We are no more. I'm not an officer so I don't have much say but I do read the alliance chat. My "former" alliance are too greedy for my taste. Instead of forming an "alliance" my guild was kinda forced into FULLTIME FACTION FARMING. We were told by alliance leaders from "====" to farm farm farm. Don't do missions. Don't do anything. Keep the capital! We had to reach a quota every few days. For example: 600k by Friday or your guild risks getting kicked out. Can you say, "SWEAT SHOP"? Just so everyone is aware. By combining your alliance with "====" you're only there to suit THEIR needs. Once "====" feels you are of no value to them anymore you're whole guild is gone and replaced by another for the same purpose. To grind and farm for them like a sweatshop. I usually don't care about these things but when something like this takes all the fun out of the game that my guildies and I are playing then that draws the line for me. I've heard in alliance chat many of them wanting to charge for ferries and limiting access to Urgoz Warren for no other reasons besides greed.

I've stationed my Warrior at "The Deep" and my monk at "Urgoz Warren". I use my other 3 characters to farm outside of the elite missions. I never map either of those 2 characters out of the elite missions. If I want to exit I use the [X] at the top right hand corner to close game. When I reboot I'm back at elite mission. Therefore regardless who the bastard is that owns said house I ALWAYS have access to the elite without ever needing a ferry. Only way I'll ever leave is if someone like "====" comes and ferries me out. Which is another reason to look out for who is the leader of your 12 man party.

I'm glad our guild is now independant from "====". Based on recent happenings 3 guilds left simultaneously. We were getting a bad name. GO oRKS! If my alliance ever gets an Elite mission you can count on me for free ferries (tips accepted with a smile) regardless what pathetic stipulations my alliance has to offer.

This is ridiculous. So your anti-[----] campaign has now spread to respectable fansite forums. Not to mention you have zero credibility, you are too afraid to even mention your guild. You're just another person who is devoted to speading rumors about how [----] has done this, they are mean, they are selfish, they demand this much faction in a week, they are untrustworthy, they are n00bs, etc.

From what it sounds like it was you people who disliked the tips optional policy(you wanted to charge) and revolted. I've investigated what happened last night and heard both sides of the story. This spreading of lies needs to stop along with the whisper-bombing of our members, officers, and leader. I do not look kindly upon such actions and will hold you and your accomplices accountable in the future.

houndofhell93 · May 25, 2006, 11:17 PM // 23:17

U ALL NEED TO GO ASK LUST OR WHO EVER THE HELL CONTROLS THE TOWN TO NICELY LET U IN AND SAY PLEASE AND THEN THOSE GREADY FREAKS NEED TO FORGET ABOUT THE ZODIAC WEPONS GOING DOWN IN PRICES. IT IS JUST A GAME!!!!!!! factions has ripped so many guilds apart and the alliance system is messed up we all need to leave it be and ask them nicely to let us in. ok i know im getting in cuz"IM NICE TO PEOPLE AND IM FREINDS WITH THEM" now y cant u all do the same there can be over 1 thousand people in an alliance go make some new freinds or go get in then leave that caracter in there just exit the game and dont log out so whoever controls it does not matter u are still in there.... DO SOMPTHING LEAVE THESE POOR PPL ALONE

NOW SOMEOEN CLOSE THIS THREAD THERE ARE TO MANY HATERS CRY BABYS ON HERE!!!!

demon dantes · May 25, 2006, 11:30 PM // 23:30

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You do realise there is such a thing as faction decay right?

Right now it is costing TC 1.6 million gold PER DAY to hold Cavalon, and they are giving it out to you *for free*

Think with your brain again before shooting your mouth off like that.

um i thought it was faction you needed to hold a town since when has money came into the issue. if you need both faction and money to own 1 of those towns then deat da deeee thats there stupidity. i personally would not farm faction and pay gold at the same time. i don t beleive it is gold you were talking about but my guild does not hold a town so i would not know.

J snukka · May 25, 2006, 11:34 PM // 23:34

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Originally Posted by demon dantes

um i thought it was faction you needed to hold a town since when has money came into the issue. if you need both faction and money to own 1 of those towns then deat da deeee thats there stupidity. i personally would not farm faction and pay gold at the same time. i don t beleive it is gold you were talking about but my guild does not hold a town so i would not know.

Faction can also be spent on your charactter to get amber. You can sell amber for 2.5-3K each. If you are giving 10K faction to alliance then you are giving up 25K-30K in gold for yourself that you could have made off selling amber. That's what they are trying to say when converting the value of Faction to gold and the upkeep of a town.

just call me jimmy · May 25, 2006, 11:38 PM // 23:38

It's Obvious the reason why they are charging. 1: All their faction farming spots are being nerfed. 2: They know Anet will be making away to enter without them.

It's actualy quite brutal that they are doing this. Paying Balthazar or Grenth is one thing. You are paying the game to enter a mission. Now you have to pay players. Who only because of their aliance own a town, not becasue they did anything. 20% of the alliance are prob all those afk's that we were so happy to see at the beginning. Paying them just makes me sick!!! That's why I just go to Cavalon. TC has been great with everyone, and have proved opening up an elite does not mean it's looses in value. Anyone that pays a player to take them to an elite mission is just plain not smart

demon dantes · May 26, 2006, 04:21 AM // 04:21

well if they would be losing out on money the way it was explained it is still to bad for them if they want to own a town that was there choice to make it s cool that tc is being nice and the other guild but it is still a choice they have made. personnally i would have spent all my faction in the begginning on amber sold it when it was really really high then turned to taking a town. became a billionare then helped ppl out lol. but thats just me lol.

croc · May 26, 2006, 04:30 AM // 04:30

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Originally Posted by J snukka

That is their decision to do so. So why do you feel sympathic that they are wasting their faction on upkeeping it. They don't have to but they are. And the only reward should be the elite mission and the cheap items from merchant, not make a profit off of ferrying us. If an alliances doesn't like that as a reward then they dont need to attempt to control the damn town. So stop mentioning how much an alliance wastes on upkeeping the outpost, noone cares.

P.S that felt good to get out, ahuh. also I used the wrong quote for this, just wanted to use this bc you mentioned how much an alliance wastes on upkeeping it and I know there are some players defending the charge/tip concept just because they feel bad for them wasting faction instead of getting amber to sell.

I agree with you, the controlling alliance has a choice to donate their factions to hold the town. They then also have a choice as to whether they let you in or not.
Who are you to decide what advantages the holding alliance is allowed to have or to not have, if you dont like paying for a ferry then dont.
Its funny how everyone just wants everything for nothing in this game.

J snukka · May 26, 2006, 05:32 AM // 05:32

though they have a choice to let us in or not, that is their decision yes i agree. I believe that if they dont ferry, fine with me, the next alliance will take over and they will allow ferrying, but if they do decide to ferry they should'nt ask for money/tip. It's stupid enough that players are restricted to playing the elite missions, when we all payed $50 for the game. But that is another issue and I learned to accept that type of system Anet implemented. I just don't think its right that they are allowed to profit from ferrying, if they decide to do so. They shouldn't ask for tip period, if players are generous enough they would offer the gold.

allience · May 26, 2006, 08:34 AM // 08:34

i've done the deep a few times and i had no problem getting a free ferry ride. i was expecting them to charge a fee but to my surprise they even said that there is no reason to charge for such a thing and that they support free unlimited access.
maybe ppl that had to pay came across occasional asses but personally i haven't met any that charged a price.

J snukka · May 26, 2006, 04:19 PM // 16:19

Although this topic is interesting to discuss, i think that people are still goin to end up flaming at each other or badly talk about an alliance, can a moderator either close my thread or post the reason they havent yet???

generik · May 26, 2006, 05:01 PM // 17:01

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Originally Posted by J snukka

when we all payed $50 for the game

Oh please stop rubbing this point already.

SO WHAT if you paid $50 for the game. They paid $50 AND also a lot of time as well.